07020 Forums  

Go Back   07020 Forums > Of Interest > Soapbox

Soapbox Things you want to bring to everyone's attention. Please check if it belongs in a more specific area, though.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-20-2014, 11:47 AM
kate's Avatar
kate kate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kinsale, IE
Posts: 3,456
kate is on a distinguished road
For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

...as if they hit the jackpot and are buying all sorts of fancy seafood and stuff (like they tell you on FOX)


My Name Is Jason, I’m A 35-Yr-Old White Male Combat Veteran…And I’m On Food Stamps


By Jay Kirell

  1. My name is Jason. I turned 35 less than a week ago. My first job was maintenance work at a public pool when I was 17. I worked 40-hours a week while I was in college. I’ve never gone longer than six months without employment in my life and I just spent the last three years in the military, one of which consisted of a combat tour of Afghanistan.



    Oh, and I’m now on food stamps. Since June, as a matter of fact.


    Why am I on food stamps?


    The same reason everyone on food stamps is on food stamps: because I would very much enjoy not starving.


    I mean, if that’s okay with you:


    ...Mr. or Mrs. Republican congressman.


    ...Mr. or Mrs. Conservative commentator.


    ...Mr. or Mrs. “welfare queen” letter-to-the-editor author.


    ...Mr. or Mrs. “fiscal conservative, reason-based” libertarian.


    I do apologize for burdening you on the checkout line with real-life images of American-style poverty. I know you probably believe the only true starving people in the world have flies buzzing around their eyes while they wallow away, near-lifeless in gutters.


    Hate to burst the bubble, but those people don’t live in this country.


    I do. And millions like me. Millions of people in poverty who fall into three categories.


    Let’s call them the “lucky” category, since conservatives seem to think people on welfare have hit some sort of jackpot:


    Those living paycheck to paycheck? They’re a little lucky.


    Those living unemployment check to unemployment check? They’re a little luckier.


    Those living 2nd of the month to 2nd of the month? *ding* We’ve hit the jackpot!


    The 2nd of the month being the time when funds gets electronically deposited onto the EBT card, [at least in NY] for those who’ve never been fortunate enough to hit that $175/month Powerball.


    I fall into the latter two categories. But I’ve known people recently - soldiers in the Army – who were in the first and third. They were off fighting in Afghanistan while their wives were at home, buying food at the on-post commissary with food stamps.


    And nobody bats an eye there, because it’s not uncommon in the military.


    It’s not uncommon – nor is it shameful. It might be shameful how little service-members are paid, but that’s a separate issue.


    The fact remains anyone at a certain income level can find it difficult from time to time to pay for everything. And when you’re poor you learn to make sacrifices. Food shouldn’t be one of them.


    The whole concept is un-American. People living here, in the greatest country on Earth, with the most abundant resources, should be forced to go hungry because of the intellectual notion of fiscal conservatism and the ideological notion of self-reliance.


    Are you ****ing kidding me?


    I didn’t risk my life in Afghanistan so I could come back and watch people go hungry in America. I certainly didn’t risk it so *I* could come back and go hungry.


    Anyone who genuinely supports cutting food stamps is not an intellectual or an ideologue – they’re a bully.


    And nobody likes a bully. Except other bullies.


    It’s time for regular Americans to stand up to these bullies. Not cower in the corner, ashamed of needing help. Because if there’s one thing life has taught me, it’s that you never know when you’ll be the one in need.


__________________
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

"If you wait until you can do everything for everybody, instead of something for somebody, you end up doing nothing for nobody"
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-21-2014, 03:54 AM
trekkie's Avatar
trekkie trekkie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Edgewater, NJ, USA
Posts: 172
trekkie is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

I personally know many people who truly need food stamps, but I also know many who use food stamps as "free money" - they do buy caviar and fancy cold cuts, as well as trade those stamps for cash.

I have roots in the "ghetto" and I have spent plenty of time in the welfare office to observe all kinds of things. There is an unbelievable amount of waste and abuse with food stamps and medicaid, as well as with welfare and rent payment assistance. A lot of people who technically qualify for those programs have all kinds of undeclared income. They smoke, drink, go on vacations, go to restaurants, buy flat screen TVs, yet claim to be destitute.

I am not against taking care of genuinely needy people, old, sick or people temporarily in a tough spot, but what is transpiring in the current system is just unadulterated mooching perpetrated by politicians of both parties scrambling for power.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-21-2014, 09:54 AM
jersey721's Avatar
jersey721 jersey721 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Edgewater, NJ, USA
Posts: 68
jersey721 is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

Not from Fox News but from my own personal encounter:

Woman in gorgeous leather & fur coat purchasing items I can't afford while speaking on her I-phone (which I can't afford either).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-21-2014, 10:33 AM
kate's Avatar
kate kate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kinsale, IE
Posts: 3,456
kate is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

Yeah, I saw two women wearing gorgeous chinchilla coats in PathMark, so what, that gives us carte blanche to punish everyone. What you do to the least among us you do unto me, I think Jesus said that. Most recipients of food stamps are children. Deprive them of nutrition in the formative years and then see what you wrought. And what about our vets and active duty soldiers should they or their families go hungry while they're fighting for us???????????????

The day before 9-11 the Pentagon announced it couldn't account for 2.8 Trillion dollars, that's Trillion with a "T". Then we got hit and you never heard another word about that government waste. But let's cut social services, brilliant!
__________________
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

"If you wait until you can do everything for everybody, instead of something for somebody, you end up doing nothing for nobody"
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-22-2014, 09:03 AM
trekkie's Avatar
trekkie trekkie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Edgewater, NJ, USA
Posts: 172
trekkie is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

Who says completely cut the social services? This is the problem with most liberals - they see everything as "give all" or "cut all". Can't you consider a middle ground here? Put stricter controls and accountability on the program. Cut the waste and abuse. Don't let people live on the benefits forever unless they are permanently disabled. If I had to guesstimate what is the percentage of people bilking the system in relation to really needy people, I would say 50/50. Not all of the recipients are needy children or elderly and disabled. A lot of them are able bodied adults who work on cash and apply for food stamps because it is literally free money.

You cannot tell me a person cannot take a part time job to make $170 a month to feed themselves. For example, housecleaning pays $10-$15 an hour and an average house/apartment takes 5-6 hours to clean, so here is $50-$90 a part time day - in 2-3 days a month you make the entire amount. I confronted some able bodied food stamps recipients about this before and the answer was "I am not going to do this, it is humiliating". I did jobs worse than that for years and it is not humiliating, it is a job that pays bills and puts food on the table. There are plenty of low skill part time jobs available out there, people are just not willing to give up the Government cheese.

As for other government programs and organizations, including Pentagon, NASA, GSA, IRS, etc., cut waste, fraud and abuse there too. Start firing people responsible, don't just move them around within the system. They are all guilty! I am sick and tired of Federal, State and Local Governments demanding more and more of my money and then spending it so irresponsibly. Why do I have to dig through coupons in a newspaper to save money and periodically review my bills to see where I can cut obsolete or downsize unnecessary items and they just throw taxpayers money left and right like it is nothing? I have met many politicians. They do not do this to their personal money. As a matter of fact they are least generous, most scroogy, cheap people you will ever meet.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-22-2014, 10:02 AM
kate's Avatar
kate kate is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Kinsale, IE
Posts: 3,456
kate is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

Quote:
they see everything as "give all" or "cut all".
That's the problem with conservatives they listen to the feces throwers on hate radio all day and the mandated Fox News at the doctor's office and think they can put a blanket label on all "liberals".

Do you like that blanket label. I think not.

Funny, because I agree with most of what you have to say, but the other poster wanted to "cut all" because she saw one person which considered to have enough to pay with government help. I agree its infuriating. But how come cutting 3 Billion in fraud from Social Services is a great help to the economy, but closing loopholes on major corporations, which are the only ones who have rebounded incredibly well in this so-called recovery, to the tune of 4 Billion in tax payer subsidizes that go to the oil companies, that's considered a pittance and why bother going after them? I mean if they can afford to lobby to get these loopholes, why not take advantage of them, after all its perfectly legal. Because they lobbied to make it legal.

Gee, if only the kids and the homeless vets had lobbyists.

Cut waste in fraud from the top down, this way we are more likely to protect those who need the help the most, even though a few leather and fur wearing, i-phone talking "takers" may slip through.

And please let not say the people on the top are "job creators" (not in this country anyway), and we can't ask more from them, because if that were true after the last thirty years of policies that have gone against the worker, we wouldn't be in the position we are in now, and most people wouldn't need food stamps.

If you want to look at waste, take a look at the free-for-all Halliburton had during the second Iraq War. Not only did they rip the tax payer off in the trillions, they created a whole class of food stamp recipients out of serving and returning vets and their families. That's what should infuriate people.
__________________
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

"If you wait until you can do everything for everybody, instead of something for somebody, you end up doing nothing for nobody"
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-23-2014, 08:14 AM
trekkie's Avatar
trekkie trekkie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Edgewater, NJ, USA
Posts: 172
trekkie is on a distinguished road
Re: For those who think people who get food stamps are lucky

First, I am not a Conservative, I am a Libertarian - there is a big difference.

Second, I do not listen to talk radio ever - I find it a bit pedestrian and simplistic in its rage.

Third, you cannot help yourself, but go to extremes. Having read many of your posts, I realized that your inability to see things in the middle, away from the edges, makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion. Say what you want, believe what you want, I am not going to waste my time going back and forth on your perceptions that are completely detached from reality. Inability or overwhelming fear of giving even an inch clouds your judgement.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Great food!! TASTeatery tcm256 Restaurants, Bars, Hotels, Caterers, etc. 2 08-31-2010 04:10 PM
Food for thought bossysooz State & National Politics 4 02-18-2009 06:17 PM
Not so lucky this time jim Soapbox 0 02-13-2009 07:06 AM
Food Drive Patea General Discussion 1 10-11-2008 11:17 PM
welcome, new people jim Soapbox 35 08-20-2007 06:02 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 2
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 07020.com - All rights reserved